Walter Russell Mead discusses a new United States–Indonesia defense agreement, robots replacing manual labor in Kentucky, Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s support for Hamas, and Joe Biden's approach to Israel through the lens of Iran policy on the podcast What Really Matters.
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Secretary of State Marco Rubio speaks to reporters after watching people board a repatriation flight bound for Colombia in Panama City on February 3, 2025. (Mark Schiefelbein/AFP via Getty Images)